RESPECT FELLOW FORUM MEMBERS

[ddesmond]

I think the tone in some of these exchanges is getting a little too ugly and rude. I think people need to be respected and post what they choose to post. Isn't that the whole purpose of having a forum. People buy products for various reasons and have various expectations and skill levels.  These nasty comments will ruin what I see as a decent forum. No one should be getting insulted for having an opinon or issue. I am a developer with 17 years experience and counting and trying to learn 3d with limited time. Everybody has there profile and experience, but the unacceptable comments need to stop.

That's just my two cents

[Wrapscallion]

I'm just getting tired of people comin in and saying a few things.

1. Blender is good for something.I'm sick and tired of having to explain to people that Blender is not good for game making, as you spend more than 90% of your time rendering.

2.Those attacking GC itself.This needs to stop.


Also, i am no pro at this either, i have very limited time to do anything, considering i work at night and sleep during the day.I do not have the years it takes to learn blender....nor do i want to....until they revamp everything about it....from the linux-like save system to the (even in 2.5) antiquated interface.


I got kicked out of one forum for my resistance to blender.....i'll be danged if it's gonna happen here.


Quit using and supporting that crap, folks.

[JimB]

2.Those attacking GC itself.This needs to stop.

It does? er... I mean it does

Anyway who is attacking GC?

[Steely Dane]

You have made the error of implying a tone to written word.
You may think that catching someone in a contradiction and calling them on it is unfair.
It isn't.
The short time I've been a member of this forum, I have seen the same baseless complaints from the beginning (and from farther back than I cared to look).
Some members make a habit of dribbling about the same problem every month or so.
Never any contribution, never any advice.
Just "This doesn't work on my computer", "This engine is better", "GC staff don't care about us", and on and on.
I know I'm not alone in feeling that these members neither earned nor deserve my respect or anyone Else's.
I assume most members choose to ignore them. They are like the perfectly able bodied man you see on the corner begging for change. Everyone is annoyed, but they just walk by hoping he will go away. Some offer a little bit of help, but end up wishing they hadn't because now they've opened the sob story box.
You are entitled to an opinion. No one, including I, dispute that.
You are not entitled to be a negative vampire.
If you don't like this engine, and your biggest contribution is complaints, then you don't deserve any quarter from anyone, and should probably take it somewhere else.
That doesn't mean legitimate complaints either. That means the ones that no one but that user, seems to have, and no one else mysteriously has experienced.
That means if you have a hardware issue, it's your issue, not ours, or GC's.
Turning it around to make yourself out to be a victim doesn't fly either.
I am not the only one on this board that has grown fed up with these incessant posts.
I may be the first one to stand up and say it, which makes me the target, and that's fine.
But I'm not the only one that feels this way, I  refuse to filter my opinion so as not to upset the delicate sensibilities of the "street bums" and their enablers on here.
To do so will not make this a better forum.
It leads to a forum where real contributors stop doing so, because they get sick and tired of saying "Well, I'm sorry my script/idea/solution doesn't work for you, maybe you can post the problem and we can fix it...", only to hear the same lame "It doesn't work, GC sucks, I'm switching to Place Engine Name Here".
From the same users.
Every time.

I guess this is another one for the report button, lol.....perhaps GC can put in a Steely Dane Offended Me Hotline....They could put it in the staff washroom stall that has the wonky toilet that leaks and never stops running.

[acocq]

Some interesting comments / opinions ...

But I feel the need to ask some questions ... not to offend anyone, but because I just find it hard to ignore some of the statements being made ...

@Wrapscallion:

I beg to differ  .  Blender can be used for a variety of tasks - at the very least, one can model assets in it quite swiftly. As far as animation is concerned ... I don't think it's dramatically worse than Lightwave in terms of rigging and animating - and I certainly wouldn't call LW unsuitable for "game making" (whatever that may mean).

What forum kicked you merely based on your resistance to blender ? 

@Steely Dane:

I can see that you are quite passionate about these issues - which I think is a good thing....
But why are you bothered by these posts ?  Why not just ignore them ?
Or do you think that there are solid arguments that would make these kinds of people "wake up" and change their ways ? Personally, I don't think that's going to happen, so I just tend to ignore them.

Of course, it is perfectly OK to voice your frustration about it, but that also places YOU in the role of a victim. And the more you get your ire up, the more you get stuck in that role, which gives other people power over your emotions ... not a good situation, I would think. You will never be able to decide what others will post, you can only decide on how you will react to it.

I just assume that the poster is not trying to irritate me on purpose. Instead, it's more like feeling sorry for that person ... he/she's unable to work through (technical) issues and ends up thrashing around, saying "hey, pay attention to me ... nobody cares about my problems .... why isn't someone solving these problems for me .... why do other people get to use engines that work better". I would venture a guess that these people will most likely never get a product/project finished, no matter which tools they use. 

I think that the US marines have a motto: "Adapt and overcome" ... same goes for any 3D-project 

And yes, this (or any other forum) would be "cleaner" without these types of posts ... but "don't let the turkeys wear you down"  ...

OK ... time to get off my soapbox ...

Cheers,
Andreas

[pixel_legolas]

Well the only connection I have to the ever-mentioned problems is that  most people love GC and want to use, but say for example that with a top of the line comp you get 10FPS in GC and in another engine you get 45FPS, they merely say that "please try to fix the fps error because I don't want to leave, I want to stick with GC but seems hard right now". And we also know that people in general are impatient. We want things fixed yesterday, not tomorrow.

I just signed up for the vibe course and I do believe this will be the shoe in my butt to get me moving forward.

For a long time I have just imported characters into a scene and make them run around and jump (really bad) and do nothing. It is time to go the next level.

But as much as I understand that people are fed up with the whining I also understand why people whine, most people don't do it just because it's fun or easier, it's that they have waited for a while

[JimB]

I can see that you are quite passionate about these issues - which I think is a good thing....

Well I hope you will excuse me when I say that no amount of "Passion" ever gave anyone the right to single out and ABUSE any forum member(s),and it is not a good thing and will only attract others of that ilk.

BTW is there an Ignore list available in our cp?

Way back in the beggining when GameCore was Beyond Virtual I and others made contributions on the forums regularily,there were plenty of examples and help available here but these were all thrown out along with the Beyond Virtual forums.
Contrary to the beliefs of some I am not and have never been a "Whiner" I just cannot understand why GameCore seems to run at a higher fps on some machines that have a lower spec and at a lower fps on some machines that have a higher spec.The main irratation of having a low(er) fps is that when using the Editor in full screen mode there is a very noticeable mouse stutter ,when decreasing the size the Editor window this stops mouse stutter by the increase of the fps but of course the Editor window is very much smaller.I am not alone in these findings Pixel_Legolas to name one user is perfectly aware of this and other problems I dare say.

Also if I can draw attention to  Reply #17
http://www.gamecore3d.com/forums/index.php/topic,555.15.html

I have the same problem as Jim when I run gamecore in a maximized screen, rather than in a window.
If I run it in a window (that absolutely cannot overlap the taskbar or into one of my other monitors), I get around 54 fps.
If I maximise, it runs at about 4-5 fps, with nothing in the world except the cursor....even when Vista changes it's color scheme, and that goes for when I run examples as games as well....must be run in a window or it jerks around a bit and pretty much freezes....
I believe I bitched about this once before, but got no real answer as to why, so I just wrote it off as too bad for me....

My specs:
Vista 32 bit
Asus P5 motherboard
Intel Quad 6600 cpu
4gb Kingston ram
Dual nvidia 6800 pro 512's running in sli configuration                                                                                                                                                          
........and yes, all of the drivers are up to date....                      

Anyone know what happened between then and now?

[acocq]

Well I hope you will excuse me when I say that no amount of "Passion" ever gave anyone the right to single out and ABUSE any forum member(s),and it is not a good thing and will only attract others of that ilk.

Nothing to excuse  ... I did not mean to imply that ABUSE was in any way, shape or form acceptable - sorry, if it came across as such.

And I understand about the frustration with the FPS issues, but also know how difficult (impossible ?) it is to track something like that down ... neither GC nor any other company can replicate each and every combination of hard- and software.

Cheers,
Andreas

[JimB]

No problem Andreas 

I do understand it is difficult to track down problems such as fps since there are so many variables involved,but I have not got close to tracking the problem down :LOL

[BigDaz]

You have made the error of implying a tone to written word.
You may think that catching someone in a contradiction and calling them on it is unfair.
It isn't.
The short time I've been a member of this forum, I have seen the same baseless complaints from the beginning (and from farther back than I cared to look).
Some members make a habit of dribbling about the same problem every month or so.
Never any contribution, never any advice.
Just "This doesn't work on my computer", "This engine is better", "GC staff don't care about us", and on and on.
I know I'm not alone in feeling that these members neither earned nor deserve my respect or anyone Else's.
I assume most members choose to ignore them. They are like the perfectly able bodied man you see on the corner begging for change. Everyone is annoyed, but they just walk by hoping he will go away. Some offer a little bit of help, but end up wishing they hadn't because now they've opened the sob story box.
You are entitled to an opinion. No one, including I, dispute that.
You are not entitled to be a negative vampire.
If you don't like this engine, and your biggest contribution is complaints, then you don't deserve any quarter from anyone, and should probably take it somewhere else.
That doesn't mean legitimate complaints either. That means the ones that no one but that user, seems to have, and no one else mysteriously has experienced.
That means if you have a hardware issue, it's your issue, not ours, or GC's.
Turning it around to make yourself out to be a victim doesn't fly either.
I am not the only one on this board that has grown fed up with these incessant posts.
I may be the first one to stand up and say it, which makes me the target, and that's fine.
But I'm not the only one that feels this way, I  refuse to filter my opinion so as not to upset the delicate sensibilities of the "street bums" and their enablers on here.
To do so will not make this a better forum.
It leads to a forum where real contributors stop doing so, because they get sick and tired of saying "Well, I'm sorry my script/idea/solution doesn't work for you, maybe you can post the problem and we can fix it...", only to hear the same lame "It doesn't work, GC sucks, I'm switching to Place Engine Name Here".
From the same users.
Every time.

I guess this is another one for the report button, lol.....perhaps GC can put in a Steely Dane Offended Me Hotline....They could put it in the staff washroom stall that has the wonky toilet that leaks and never stops running.

So to paraphrase:
"I refuse to respect other people"
"It's perfectly OK to treat other members badly because they deserve it."

I think any reasonable person would agree this isn't the sort of conduct we want here.

[pixel_legolas]

The only thing I react on in forums is when people register and the first post is "gimme this and that". Other than that I cannot react negativly on something, because it's personal feelings. Who am I to correct someone and say "this and that is right and wrong". I think we should just stop talking about what people thing is bad good, the right, way the wrong and focus on what we are all here for, to create aaa+ games and get rich

So, bury all axes, pat eachother on the shoulder and say "hey, let's be friends and make something nice, even if we have struggles along the way"

[ddesmond]

I think the reason I created this thread was obvious and most of us are on the same page with how fellow members should be treated. I am a fairly new member and not aware of alot that's happened with GC. However, the recent posts left me in shock and prompted me to create this thread.

Steely, I still don't understand why even a thread like this would still cause you to be so judgemental and adversarial.  I am also a straight up person, but that doesn't give me or anyone the right to force my opinions or demoralize anyone else. Agree to disagree, I think the old saying 'If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything', applies nicely in these situations.

Lastly, these negative posts benefit no one and just promote negativity.

[pixel_legolas]

I just had an idea, everyone should contribute at least 1 thing to the community the coming week, a script, a model or anything that will make us go one step forward. I have started with my sky textures/mode and some old scripts from old forum. Also a friend is making a knight model that he will share with this community.

So let's take steps forward with a smile instead of steps back with muttering

But, just looked and gekido hasen't posted anything in almost 1 month, i would like some words of motivation with for example what we could expect in an upcoming release, a hot template perhaps? Some nice snippets? Just letting us know you are alive

well, I am looking forward to march 17 when vibes course will start. Does anyone know if we get access to the whole course at one time if wanted? Because alot of the basics I already know.

[acocq]

well, I am looking forward to march 17 when vibes course will start. Does anyone know if we get access to the whole course at one time if wanted? Because alot of the basics I already know.

If I remember correctly, the course material is given out "slice by slice" ... so no "peeking ahead" 

Cheers,
Andreas

[ddesmond]

The course was very good, especially for someone like me who knew very little about games and 3d modeling. I thought I was going to do alot, but between my new contract and my little guy, I have 1 to 2 hours a day on most days. When my twins arrive in a few months, there will be 0 time. My skill is in development, maybe I can take a scripting task. My modeling is getting better, I'm hoping to finish my main model soon, a 25 year old version of my 2 year old. If all goes well this weekend he will have a head, face and hopefully textured. If someone can let me know what type of script is needed, I'll see what I can do. I have good programming skills and shouldn't have an issue, except for documentation.